I have heard of things like this…

…but still don’t know what to think. As a matter of fact, stories like this kind of fry my brain and make me wonder what God is up to.

Give this little post a read and let me know what you think, or don’t think about it. Have any of you heard of this kind of thing?

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8 thoughts on “I have heard of things like this…

  1. Heath and I went to the National Missionary Convention in Cincinnati in 99′, I think it was? We went to a sessions on ministering to Muslims because that was where our interest lie at the time. The main speaker for those sessions was ministering with Muslims on this premise – that they would become Christ-followers while retaining their cultural identification as Muslims. Thus not being executed or shunned by their families. I have heard model proposed for Hindus who come to Christ, including roadside altars for worshiping Christ alongside the roadside altars for the other deities.

    The man ministering to Muslims was allowed to fellowship with them based on his confession that “There is one God.” Usually the basis of fellowship is the confession that “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet,” but some Muslims are willing to take just the first part. And these were the Muslims that he hoped might become Christ-followers.

    I have the same reaction as Brant Hansen, in which trying to reconcile a loyalty to the Koran and the person of Mohammed with following Jesus makes my head want to explode. But when Muslims look at American Christians, maybe trying to reconcile Jesus’ message with our American lifestyle makes their heads want to explode. I hope not – I hope we are working on integration of our lifestyles with Jesus’ message. But I know there are big gaps sometimes.

  2. Wow, Jenny. Your last paragraph is powerful and it raises a very important thought. Unfortunately, people outside of the USA, and maybe some inside, confuse the USA (with all of its variety of expressions including military, media, and religion) with Christian faith.

    This post certainly gives us something to think about.

  3. Reading the comments on Hansen’s post brought those thoughts to mind… Someone else mentioned our own inconsistencies/false religion as American Christians and how that compares to the culture of Islam for a believer from that background, and that thought resonated with me.

    I forgot to mention the best part of the trip to Cincinnati – we got to visit the Mosque there for Friday prayers with the man who had been leading our sessions at the NMC. He attended there regularly with his friends who were Muslims, and directed his prayers to the One God he knows in Christ. I don’t know if he used the words of their prayers, or even what those words are, though. I had to sit in the balcony with the rest of the women, and we didn’t do the prayers (obviously, since we wouldn’t have known the words anyway). It was an enlightening experience, though.

  4. Not sure what to say here except that I do believe there is room for other religions in Christianity. It threatens the base of ‘christiandom’ (yes, i used Kierkegaard’s word intentionally). But I don’t believe that it threatens Christ.

    The old argument starts with asking, ‘what about the child’…and then goes to ‘what about the individual that doesn’t know of christ’…and then eventually it leads to the end of the line: ‘what about people who, through their best efforts, fail to understand completely the concept of christ.’ (i.e. our understanding) when you allow these people into ‘heaven’ then you allow mormons, jehovah’s witnesses, muslims, and eventually possibly atheists. It’s the logical result of seeing God as an all-knowing being.

    I’ve known atheists that live a life worthy of christ.

    it’s a slippery slope of which I’m glad I slid. I feel for those to whom this slope threatens their marriage, their job, their friendships.

    I do believe that it requires the glasses that we see scripture through to be re-evaluated.

    (published on kamp krusty’s blog as well)

  5. Matches, Malcolm Muggeridge (check the alliteration) published a book (back in the 60’s I think) called “The End of Christendom”. It’s subtitle was: “But not of Christ!” Your point is well taken. Like you, I do believe that Christ can take care of himself.

    The question that you raise in your second paragraph is worthy of a series of posts, a year of seminars and a shelf full of books. You raise two questions in one: 1)how is Christ unique? (or is he at all?) and, 2)how does he relate to the other religions and beliefs that are sincerely adhered to. I think I’ll admire the question for now. 🙂

    The question about the eternal destiny of those who don’t specifically respond to Jesus is one I won’t attempt to answer here either, except to say: As people who seek to live in the way of Christ, follow Jesus, love God and others…what we think of this question, or how we answer it, is secondary to how we love those for whom this question is asked.

  6. Wow, you guys are all way too smart! I couldn’t even begin to put my thoughts together in a way that would communicate so precisely or eloquently what you have.

    That said…I have thought about some of these very same things, but would have trouble putting them into coherent sentences. In fact, that Kamp Krusty guy has hit on something that I’ve been holding in the back of my mind for quite a while. I just can’t help but wonder if Jesus/the Cross/ the Kingdom coming/redemption…..everything that changed once Jesus’ ministry, death, and resurrection happened, was and is bigger than we are even aware of now. Could it be more inclusive than we’ve ever thought before? There’s a lot more I could add, but won’t. If Adam’s (one man) sin decided for us all that we would all be sentenced to death without our individual choice could Jesus’ (one man) death and resurrection save everyone without their individual choice? That would be radical. I’m not sure if that’s biblical or not. It quite possibly could be a little off topic as well.

    In Christian settings it can still be hard for me to voice some of the questions I have because I do still fear (at times) someone trying to ‘correct’ my thinking for me. I’m open to input, I just don’t want someone to make me feel bad for having sincere questions and wonderings (if that’s even a word). I would rather God do that for me. :o)

  7. These are great comments and, as I mentioned before, the ideas presented here are too complex to resolve in the comment section. Let me share a couple of thoughts that sum up some of what has been said:

    Whatever we think of the original post by Kamp Krusty and potential of a “Muslim” Christian the fact that this story is out there prompts all of us to think more deeply about this issue and maybe other issues, primarily theological ones, that we hold to. Re-thinking such commitments is important not because we discard our previous positions, though we may, but because we make those positions our own rather than echo positions that we really haven’t thought through seriously.

    In addition, it gives us an opportunity to not only pursue the truth in our ideas but to render love in our actions. If this sounds a little bit like I Cor 13 you get the point. If it doesn’t sound like I Cor 13 then toss this paragraph and go read I Cor 13.

    Keep up the good comments!

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